This Isn't a Civilian War... It's Newsvine!

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Oh, yes... "I'm sorry" ...should be in the CoH somewhere! lol

It changes the entire 'attitude' and gets things back to a civil level.

Thank you, Vlad!

capt., I get your point, and do agree. If the relationship is greater than simple article discussion, and if an issue of mistrust occurred, then certainly saying, "I'm sorry" seems trite and disingenuous.

I was referring to the typical political/religious squabbles and seeming 'hate' for the opposition. Fighting over another's 'value system' isn't going to change either of their minds. It's impossible to change one's genetics; opinions, on the other hand, can be changed.

In on-going discussion with someone that has become a 'discussion partner'---I think "trust" is important.

Lol, I know what you mean.

As for consequences for poor/offensive commentary, reporting seems to make a huge difference, for the most part... probably a certain quantity of reports draws their attention to it. Then, too, there are probably other variables being taken into account, i.e., the credibility of the reporter, if they have time for it, etc.

I find myself considering if we have a time-frame (could be cycles of years, perhaps) when there are more liberals than conservatives present when 'we' are present on those certain articles. I imagine as things start to ramp-up politically this year, we'll begin to see a greater presence of conservatives, as we did in '08... just speculating.

Whew, the system wasn't letting me comment...hmmm.

How true, Boudicea. Most of us something in common, and if those places are the only areas we can tolerate someone---then perhaps we should stick to those areas!! hahaha. ...Even if the only area is being online drinking buddies! (just joking, too!)

Now, that's an idea!

Hahaha!! ..Those darn trade-offs!! :P

Thanks, Halifax!

We all need an occasional reminder from time-to-time... even me.

I liked that, BD, and fully agree when one is in the position of "boss," then self-awareness is key to their own success and the success of their employees. Trust would seem to be part of what is nurtured by an insightful boss. (Or, did you mean, me personally? I don't know.)

I'm sorry that I no longer (disconnected it long ago) use the email feature; my comfort level with it changed. I do, however, use the C&F module on our homepage/column to accept messages. If it is a private message, then I read it in the 'pending' stage so that it remains private, then delete it after reading.

Trust me, you can trust me. :)

I don't know what's up with this article, but I'm not getting consistent trackings on it. Grrr.. Who knows, maybe other articles, too.

Second that emotion!

..Like that saying, " If you wouldn't write it and sign it; then don't say it."

"rocks"...lol --Best used in the landscape or in household plants.

Thanks, etva! Soft is definitely better than hard, when it comes to throwing things! lol

Excellent point, ML! Atleast you only have to recover from "one" feeling, should it get hurt. lol

I've suggested to Nv to incorporate a 'Keep as new' as offered with email, for this very reason! So many times we might like to think about it, then come back and reply later.

Funny you should mention the notion of a second impression of other's comments. That just happened this a.m. Taken out of the context of the other user comments, the 'tone' seemed less abrasive the second time around.

Lol, welllllll... there are some people we just don't want to PO... they get into trouble, or they are just miserable and angry sorts, and they usually drag those around them into their death spirals. lol.. Then, on the other hand, there are those that can discuss heated topics with logic, intelligence, interrogation and other quintessential components to make the whole experience most rewarding. Yes, as things start heating-up, we will be in need of our debate skills, or our self-control and intuition in knowing when it's time to exit, so not to be in the middle of the vitriolic mud-slinging.

What's funny to me is not funny to everyone... and if I have to explain why something is funny... well it probably won't be funny once I've explained it...

Now, that was funny!

"Kindness does not equal weakness."

I find that in real life and on newsvine...

I very much agree.

So true. It is hard to tell sometimes, if we haven't exchanged with them very much, to know both ends of it---did they get our SOH...or, are they joking or not..lol. I know I've had times I thought they were joking, and they weren't!! ..Kind of embarrassing.

:) ..Good idea! Mexico has cheap pharma, too, so I've read. :P

Thanks, Grisham. Yes, his is good advice! Using 'in-person' mentality might prevent some of the animosity, and turn the discourse into actual discussion, instead of drive-by grenade trolling.

Isn't there something in the HoC that says that your postive has to outweigh your negative?

I thought so too, especially important when they are considering the length of a suspension, as I thought I read.

Lol, you should have seen it before I cut it down!!! :)

It was truly....

Despite my basic disagreement with that author and his followers in how the CoH perspective of an "attack" should be interpreted, I do agree that snark and sarcasm aren't always an attack; however, sometimes a user 'does' have that intention with their sarcasm, unarguably with comments such as: DNFWTT...

Sure, they didn't outright call the person a 'troll,' but one would have to be retarded to miss the implication. Because of these types of 'soft attacks,' is why I agree with Tyler and Sally's interpretations of CoH 1, and agree that 'tone' is extremely important, as well as examining how the 'sarcasm/snark' was used ---whether the user cops to negative intention or not. Of course they are not going to admit to degradation/inflammatory intention!! Who would? That is why we need the intelligent Moderators we have---to perceive disingenuous users and let them know that their 'tactics' won't go without consequence.

My outline with this article was mostly directed to the 'victims' of these attackers...we don't have to just 'put up with them' and take "Fukitol" in order to cope. :) We can use benevolent 'tactics' on them, as well, to thwart their ego-boosting, superiority-complex-based goals of destroying 'us' in order to raise themselves 'above' us.

Thanks, jj!

Do I have followers? ..lol.. Well, I'm not purporting a 'religion,' so probably not; however, I would love to have a following on my column! In any event, I know many agree with both ways of viewing the commentary. I try to keep up with how T&S interpret comments, and follow their lead. They always not only make sense to me, but I also see the 'preventative' measures in their logic, as all it takes is one snarky grenade troll to show up---and all hell can break loose. Not much different, imo, than why we have speed limits; they might not always 'prevent,' but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have the 'limits.'

Btw, I think your sock puppets like you a lot!! They believe .. :) ...in your ability to put out some awesome photography, in addition to some important and informative articles on the Fishing industry and the associated organizations causing so much strife.

Ahhh... I didn't know about that with the NP group and your result. Perhaps that's why another person had some issues, too. If so, now things make sense. I see the little stick figure image you reference on all of those articles. I don't see the necessity in complicating guidelines or adding rules that aren't absolutely necessary, personally. Additionally, imo, I don't care for a 'group Admin.' approach that many use. 1) They end up with too much bureaucracy, quite often; 2) They end up playing "King of the Hill"..making unnecessary rules/comments to throw their weight around :), so to speak--and well, ..I just don't appreciate it. Groups should have one Moderator/owner, one rule, and guidelines should be kept simple and easy. When they are going to be 'gone'--is when they can assign a replacement--and only then. Can you imagine having a family with four parents?? lol...that's just asking for conflict/trouble or 'annoyances'. ..In my humble opinion.

I noticed you hadn't been writing 'industry' articles. Now I know why. The killing of the dolphins is too difficult for me to accept; there has to be a better answer.

Yes, as a close friend of mine said not long ago, it only takes 'one' wrong thing... and it's all over. Sad, but true; and yes, very immature, depending on the issue, of course.

I think we all get overwhelmed with this experience, sometimes. There are a lot of different places we want to be, and there is only so much time. We all do the best we can. You have mentioned your unique schedule many times, so we understand...

Perhaps I need to risk setting the vines alight and conclude my unfinished meta business so that I can move on.

Imo, one of two things is the result: 1) the 'airing' gets it out of your mind, and there was enough support for your opinion, that you feel it's 'over,' and then you can move on; or 2) you don't get the support you need (in your own mind)... more opposition than 'favor,' and you remain conflicted, and decide to go a different route.

Perhaps you can pursue your profitable hobby, and post to Nv on a lesser schedule?

Can you imagine a freeway with speed bumps??!! lol ..Come to a screeching halt from 60 mph every quarter of a mile or so ... get rear-ended several times; yep, that should work!

Toll booths? Hmm.. I don't think they have those here, except maybe a bridge or two

LOL. ..But then taxes are fairly high, and they add a lot of tax to the price of gasoline, though those don't pay for roads.

I wonder if that is more of an east coast thing... I don't think I've ever seen that (except for two bridges).

Hmmm..interesting. I sure wouldn't like it.

Our state Governor spoke of implementing that in the past for additional revenue, but I don't think it's happened so far.

Good point; rarely is it "civil."

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Hey, try it. You might li ....ah, the hell with it.

As a last resort... I think we should have some on hand!! :)

You know, and I'm going to step out of line with this statement, and I'm going to be brief and obscure... but if a certain person had not taken offense to a CoH violation perceived by our moderators, and then attempted to harp on you 'to do something about it' ---none of your problems would have surfaced! ...In other words, it was not 'your' fault. It was the 'irony' of ironies!! ..imo, and thanks to Nv for allowing us to have one. :)

True, and then there is more than one meta struggle going on. I try to stay out of them, for the most part, but was *more than once* 'drug' into my own struggle on the public forum.

It all stemmed from one person that wrote stupid innuendo meta articles about me over an email issue that they were either afraid to be honest about privately, or-- were intentionally trying to be disingenuous with their personal comments to obfuscate and confuse me in order to get me to become so upset that I might 'leave.'

The articles (I only read two, and refrained from commenting on them) had me so infuriated with their untrue, slanderous remarks and comments---that I found myself wanting to go on a self-defense mission to make known that I was deceived by that person, and eventually had a serious mistrust issue with them lying to me that our exchanges would be 'confidential.'

If there was an "observer" type of 'enhanced viner' out and about--and was attempting to shut me up or 'steer' my discussion, while the offender and her degrading, harassing and slanderous articles were allowed to stand--I'm certain I would not appreciate that person. In fact, I don't appreciate 'enhanced users' of any kind because they are capable of misinterpretation/incomprehension. :)

You got left standing outside of a group of friends without even the benefit of knowing what was actually being said.

And, I didn't know anything was being said behind my back until a good friend let me know, and once I found out...that spurred me into hyperdrive:) causing me to want to defend myself even more! ..Especially when it was so apparent that users that hadn't exchanged with me previously that I didn't know, obviously had a set opinion and were acting aloof towards me in discussion, as a result. It is truly a travesty to be judged by a preconceived 'notion,' and deciding to not get to know someone because of what someone else has said.

What inflamed my personal situation even more, was that I had a few 'new user' issues with some folks in that crowd that might have already influenced them in a negative context, so naturally this major-offender-person ranting and bad-mouthing me was probably well-received, unfortunately.

I did learn a few things from that whole horrific experience. 1) People aren't always who they say they are in 'character' (even if you have met them); 2) Never put anything on the internet--anywhere on the internet--that you would not want repeated.

Experience is truly the best teacher.

jj.. I think the most obvious example of many viners/regular users not appreciating those that are playing the 'internet police' position... was with a few that took issue with Brian F.

One user in particular took hostile umbrage to his authoritarian bossiness and started writing articles about him, even went to the extent of leaving a nasty comment on his homepage.

What is really funny (figuratively) about that is that I didn't think that was the role that he was actually assuming---he was majorly misinterpreted!! He was just someone that wanted on-topic, quality discussions, and to have all of the personal chit-chat go away.

But one can only make 'holier than thou' requests, and have respect in doing so, if they are not a hypocrite... which he probably wasn't; but others might be. :)

Lol, that is funny!

I was always on his side on most issues, despite a possibility he didn't like me (most likely because of my forced, self-defense, meta entanglements) because what he thought, was usually my assessment, as well, though, not so much politically. :)

Oh, that's Ok, jj, I understand. I just thought the idea of that Escort was really funny. If we can't laugh at our own 'seriousness' ---then we're really in trouble!!

I thought I did see it around the time you posted it; atleast, it did sound familiar.

Hi, Soc! Good to see you today.

I'll look for it and post it. I've been the whipping boy girl enough, such that I can take it, so that jj doesn't have to.

Hahaha... yep, that's it. I remember the piece of artillery on the hood. The little girl in the back seat was having too much fun being a clown, eh?!! lol

what are some synonyms for escort?

Gigolo...??

I was just being silly. Tour guide came to mind for me, too.

That NV is many things to many people doesn't enter into everyone's thinking.

That's a good point. The rules state what 'isn't acceptable,' and not so much what 'is.'

Newsvine is whatever the community makes it to be; it is what it is... on any given day. LOL

Wow, people coming from other sites to fight our battles??!! If there are any good, interesting or relevant battles to read, in your opinions, please let me know, Ok?? I'll do the same.

That's one way to do it!! They stay because they like to fight, or because they're exhausted and can't move.